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02:31 pm - Jane Eyre - One of my Favourite Novels
Background - This is one of my favourite novels so this is a bit of incoherent fangirling of the book.



Character - Jane Eyre is a first person narrative and the strength of the story is the strength of Jane’s character. She is a remarkable narrator - small, plain, poor and fierce.

I love her absolute determination to do what she thinks best, regardless of her circumstances. Her passion and her perseverance. Her strong sense of conscience.

This is one of the most powerful passages in English, I think:

'Do you think, because I am poor, obscure, plain, and little,
I am soulless and heartless? You think wrong! — I have
as much soul as you, — and full as much heart! And if
God had gifted me with some beauty and much wealth,
I should have made it as hard for you to leave me, as it
is now for me to leave you. I am not talking to you now
through the medium of custom, conventionalities, nor
even of mortal flesh; — it is my spirit that addresses
your spirit; just as if both had passed through the grave,
and we stood at God’s feet, equal, — as we are!'

I think she could do better than Rochester - who is frankly a bit of a prat - but she thinks he is what she wants and I want her to be happy:-)

She looks for someone to serve, so of course Rochester only becomes more desirable to her when he needs her eyes and hands.

Rochester is, IMHO, a twit. I am particularly unimpressed with his muttering ‘God pardon me! and man meddle not with me; I have her, and will hold her’. Talk about your Gothic stuff.

Also, the passage where he compares her to a much-loved ewe accidentally killed, it does not convince me that he loves her.

I think he follows his own convenience in all things. If he could have had Blanche he would have - his tastes run to big girls. He married lustfully and for money and then when it didn’t work out he wandered about Europe buying sex with women and moping. But since he cannot have Blanche, he makes do with Jane’s love for him.

Plus, of course, I am far from convinced that he handled Bertha’s madness well. Are we sure she was mad? She has ‘lucid periods’ in which she complains about his treatment of him. Oh really? What’s not to appreciate in being locked, unacknowledged, in an attic with a drunkard?

Alternately, she really is mad and he provides for her care only the drunken Grace even though he knows that Bertha is consistently eluding her and escaping to attempt to harm people. Not terribly responsible.

And, of course, did she really jump off the roof or did he push her?

St John Rivers - I actually like him. I know that most people don’t but I think he is the mirror of Rochester only with more conscience.

Images of fire and ice are contrasted all the way through the book (beginning in the nook with the red curtain looking out at the white cold world outside, the decorations at Thornfield, imagery of nature).* Rochester is obviously the fire and Rivers the implacable ice.

He is just as passionate as Rochester only he does what he thinks to be right rather than what suits him.



* Imagery - the books starts with the unforgettable juxtaposition of fire and ice. On one hand: 'Folds of scarlet drapery shut in my view to the right hand; to the left were the clear panes of glass, protecting, but not separating me from the drear November day'

On the other: 'the vast sweep of the Arctic Zone, and those forlorn regions of dreary space, — that reservoir of frost and snow, where firm fields of ice, the accumulation of centuries of winters, glazed in Alpine heights above heights, surround the pole, and concentre the multiplied rigours of extreme cold.'



Themes - The overt religion is probably off-putting to some contemporary readers but I like it. Belief in following God leads Jane to refuse Rochester.

At the same time, false religion is criticised consistently. The criticism of Brocklehurst is so scathing it almost hurts. Apparently the guy he is based on tried to sue for libel. The bit where he is going on about modesty and then his overdressed daughters and wife come in? Priceless. And unmercifully savage.

Feminism - This is a profoundly feminist book for me. There is that passage when Jane is up on the top of the manor thinking about how she longs for freedom.

'Anybody may blame me who likes, when I add
further, that, now and then, when I took a walk by
myself in the grounds; when I went down to the gates
and looked through them along the road; or when,
while Adele played with her nurse, and Mrs. Fairfax
made jellies in the storeroom, I climbed the three
staircases, raised the trap-door of the attic, and having
reached the leads, looked out afar over sequestered field
and hill, and along dim sky-line — that then I longed
for a power of vision which might overpass that limit;
which might reach the busy world, towns, regions full
of life I had heard of but never seen — that then I
desired more of practical experience than I possessed;
more of intercourse with my kind, of acquaintance with
variety of character, than was here within my reach. I
valued what was good in Mrs. Fairfax, and what was
good in Adele; but I believed in the existence of other
and more vivid kinds of goodness, and what I believed
in I wished to behold.

Who blames me? Many, no doubt; and I shall be
called discontented. I could not help it: the restlessness
was in my nature; it agitated me to pain sometimes.
Then my sole relief was to walk along the corridor of
the third storey, backwards and forwards, safe in the
silence and solitude of the spot, and allow my mind’s
eye to dwell on whatever bright visions rose before it —
and, certainly, they were many and glowing; to let my
heart be heaved by the exultant movement, which,
while it swelled it in trouble, expanded it with life; and,
best of all, to open my inward ear to a tale that was
never ended — a tale my imagination created, and
narrated continuously; quickened with all of incident,
life, fire, feeling, that I desired and had not in my actual
existence.

It is in vain to say human beings ought to be
satisfied with tranquillity: they must have action; and
they will make it if they cannot find it. Millions are
condemned to a stiller doom than mine, and millions
are in silent revolt against their lot. Nobody knows how
many rebellions besides political rebellions ferment in
the masses of life which people earth. Women are
supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just
as men feel; they need exercise for their faculties, and a
field for their efforts, as much as their brothers do; they
suffer from too rigid a restraint, too absolute a
stagnation, precisely as men would suffer; and it is
narrow-minded in their more privileged fellow-
creatures to say that they ought to confine themselves
to making puddings and knitting stockings, to playing
on the piano and embroidering bags. It is thoughtless
to condemn them, or laugh at them, if they seek to do
more or learn more than custom has pronounced
necessary for their sex.'

As Virginia Woolf points out, there is a jarring break at this point as Bronte returns to the plot.

'When thus alone, I not unfrequently heard Grace Poole’s laugh'.

I think this break exists because Bronte got carried away with her polemic and forgot the novel.

Remember, too, that just writing the novel meant a break with what women were meant to be doing. Charlotte wrote to the poet Southey for advice on her writing and her replied ‘Literature cannot be the business of a woman’s life, and it ought not to be. The more she is engaged in her proper duties, the less leisure she will have for it, even as an accomplishment and a recreation.’

That’s not exactly helpful when you are an aspiring author. Thank goodness she did not listen to him.


Charlotte Bronte - A Few Biographical Notes

Of course Charlotte’s life was as remarkable as the life of Jane Eyre.

I’ve been to Haworth and it is the oddest place. You step out of the parsonage directly into the graveyard. Literally, one steo from the doorway you are surrounded by graves. You step out of the graveyard and you are on the moor. They were literally ringed by death and beyond that eternity.

It is impossible not to think of Charlotte’s own experiences in parts of the book - especially the description of Lowood. Knowing that two of her own sisters died of illneses contracted at school make Helen Burns’ death all the more poignant.

Her description of Lowood was immediately recognised at the time of publication and Carus Wilson (Mr Brocklehurst) brought a legal action.



I don't have any real conclusions here. I feel that I have been far from doing justice to the book - lack of sleep has eaten into my time for reading and thinking this month.

All I can say is - One of my favourite books! All good!

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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 26th, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
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A few things I can add:

1. I like the parallel of the two sets of two girl-cousins & one boy-cousin, the Reeds and the Riverses, bad and good. (I ship Jane/Diana, lol.)
2. I read A Wide Sargasso Sea this month, since I finishe JE early. It was, um, disappointing. I did like the suggestion that Rochester drove Bertha mad, but not much was done with it. Then I went on to reread Rebecca, because I was looking for parallels to JE, not a lot of them actually, but it is a good read.
3. I'm currently rereading The Brontes: Charlotte Bronte and Her Family by Rebecca Fraser, which I recommend. The Brontes' life-story is definitely as dramatic as any of their fiction.
4. JE is a feminist book, and character, but it's Victorian feminism, linked to women's moral superiority and self-sacrifice.
5. I was much younger when I first read this book, and I remember getting so angry at the injustice of the Lowood part, poor Helen Burns!
6. I feel sorry for Adele. Rochester wasn't much of a father, whether or not he was biologically.
7. You've got to love an author audacious enough to write "Reader, I married him." That rocks on so many levels!
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)

Wide Sargasso Sea

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2. I read A Wide Sargasso Sea this month, since I finishe JE early. It was, um, disappointing. I did like the suggestion that Rochester drove Bertha mad, but not much was done with it. Then I went on to reread Rebecca, because I was looking for parallels to JE, not a lot of them actually, but it is a good read.

I read it for the first time this month too and I was disappointed. I thought there would be more... oomph to it. The meandering tone suited her eventual (or incipient) madness but I wanted more plot.
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 27th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)

Re: Wide Sargasso Sea

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The style threw me off, including in the Rochester section. (And it must be growing up watching reruns of '50s television, but every time I type "Rochester" I think of Jack Benny.)
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)

Brontes

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3. I'm currently rereading The Brontes: Charlotte Bronte and Her Family by Rebecca Fraser, which I recommend. The Brontes' life-story is definitely as dramatic as any of their fiction.

I will look for it int he library. I read Juliet Barker's 1996 The Brontes which was very good. Lots of primary sources quoted.
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 27th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)

Re: Brontes

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And I'll look for Barker's book in the library. :-)
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 12:36 am (UTC)

Schools

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5. I was much younger when I first read this book, and I remember getting so angry at the injustice of the Lowood part, poor Helen Burns!

I remember reading this as a kind of anti-school story. Instead of going off to a boarding school for romps and crumpets, instead it is suffering and poor Helen Burns going to her last home, her long home.
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 27th, 2009 04:56 pm (UTC)

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Good point. The Brontes didn't want to go to school anyway, although Charlotte did meet two lifelong friends there.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)

Adele

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6. I feel sorry for Adele. Rochester wasn't much of a father, whether or not he was biologically.

Oh Yes! And Jane is not actually as good to ehr as I ahd remembered. She winds up in a boarding school having her French flightiness corrected.

Also, how are we meant to read the short skirts and flirtatious song? Is it just a sign of how wrong her mother was in all ways?
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From:[info]pedanther
Date:June 27th, 2009 08:32 am (UTC)
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I really wanted to know what Rochester was thinking, in that scene with the dress.

"In a minute, Adele will come back in wearing her new dress, and she'll look just like her mother, and I'll be unhappy." -- if you knew that, why did you give her the dress, stupid?
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 11:56 am (UTC)
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"In a minute, Adele will come back in wearing her new dress, and she'll look just like her mother, and I'll be unhappy." -- if you knew that, why did you give her the dress, stupid?

Ooooh, had a thought about this. See below in the comments!
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 27th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)

Re: Adele

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I think Rochester likes to torment himself. He thinks of people that make him unhappy and then dwells on them. (Oo, suddenly thought of Marianne Dashwood/ Rochester pairing!) He also tries to bring out the worst in them, to prove himself right. He could presumably find a better way of taking care of Bertha, possibly far from Thornfield, but no, he keeps her around in his attic. He seems to want Adele to remain a miniature of her mother. He encourages Blanche's greed. Only with Jane, where her faults and her virtues are the same, does he thrive.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 28th, 2009 12:01 am (UTC)

Re: Adele

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(Oo, suddenly thought of Marianne Dashwood/ Rochester pairing!)

The house of moping!
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 28th, 2009 05:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Adele

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LOL!
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From:[info]icantmakeme
Date:June 28th, 2009 03:52 am (UTC)

Re: Adele

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"I think Rochester likes to torment himself."
I agree with this.

If he keeps all of his mistakes around him, (Adele, Bertha, even Blanche represents danger of future error) he can not only torment himself but possibly avoid repeating those mistakes.
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 28th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)

Re: Adele

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And then he ends up in the woods with only two servants, until Jane returns. But maybe he's learned his lesson by then.
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From:[info]icantmakeme
Date:June 26th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)

I respectfully disagree and move to roger Mr Rochester.

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Keeping in mind that it's late and I am tiiiiiired:

Ah, St John. I'm terribly predictable in that the instant he appeared in the book I knew his game and I did not care to play it. One of the feminist ideas I appreciate within the book (apart from 'women can think' 'women want more' and 'uggos have feelings too') is the 'people have sexual appetites' theme and I viewed St John as a weight crushing all natural desires under a pious, sexless snorefest. He would put Jane on a pedestal and probably would have stopped screwing her once she'd produced enough children (and I doubt she'd be allowed to enjoy the procreation sex!). She'd be Mary to his Jesus. I have to disagree and say Jane is a convenience to St John (seems frigid to him, free womb, blood relation and bends to his will at first, hardy for desert dwelling, won't tempt the natives).

Rochester is a man who has learned through error rather than enforced virtue. (And which lesson is learned deeper than regret?) He's tasted many kinds of 'love' - love for connection/wealth, love for pretty flesh/frivolity etc. All kinds but a love for equality of mind. When he meets Jane he's yet to find a healthy balance between love/lust/possession/need. (It's Arrested… Development.) I think his dick-driven past is essential for him to recognise the 'right' kind of love but he remains unable to process or respect it for most of the book. When it hits him he's suddenly a pre-feminism man trying lamely to express a post feminist relationship idea (maybe I love her…………mind? Gasp.) without any reference point. Hence his tragic lamb comparison and other trespasses. He just doesn't have the language, he's classically man-compromised when it comes to letting his feelings out in a steady stream rather than an explosion (another post feminism idea, the positive 'feminising' of men). By his broken end he's been tamed as much as she has been freed and they can both work out a balance between the intellectual and the physical. His disability is the final lesson to bring him down, her financial gain brings her up. They've both now had hard lessons in looks, money, lust, faith and love and they are finally on the same point in the relationship continuum. Jane just did it faster than Rochester. In the end it's a balance of overall power, a balance of desires. (Plus you know he's got the sexy time skillz to pay her billz.)

I also felt sorry for Adele but I think she partly works as a symbol of the endless loop of negative influence on women. She's like fashion magazines in human form, a product of superficial values doomed by her parentage to life as a frosted cupcake. A victim of her own blessings. Time and again is the theme that those born blessed outwardly (Looks, money) never develop inwardly. There's also quite a bit of stuff about nature Vs nurture (The Reeds, the Rivers) when you think on it which brings me to good old Bertha.

Looking at Bertha through the filter of contemporary understanding of mental illness it appears that Rochester is not to blame for her insanity. There are mentions of other women in her family suffering from madness and this fits nicely with the modern view of mental illness as an inherited problem. (Not to mention the theme of 'your parents will doom you!') Couple that with lack of treatment and you get all sorts of attic dwellers.

As for Jane, she learned that love cannot be purely intellectual and that loyalty is no substitute (St John). She learned that it's better to understand your power whether it be mental, sexual, beauty, wealth, spiritual etc so that you may master it rather than it enslave you. Jane also learned that in the end your own conscience coupled with consciousness of your desires/power may be the best guide for your morality.

To summarise I think it's a book about taking personal responsibility for your own happiness and about finding that balance through trial and error. In Jane Eyre those who acknowledge the darkness in their lives (whether material or abstract) may evolve to see the light. Those who deny it are doomed to trudge forever blind.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)

Re: I respectfully disagree and move to roger Mr Rochester.

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There is so much here. Must think about it for a little while before I post.


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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)

Re: I respectfully disagree and move to roger Mr Rochester.

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THOUGHT ABOUT it while out buying a little board with wheels for Pearl to do physio on - I think that I don't believe Rochester has really changed.

At first he wants to buy Jane pretty dresses and basically treat her like a body - like he has every other woman (including, as pionted out above, Adele). She resists.

It seems at the end of thenovel that he has moved beyond this, to appreciate her as a person. But *has he*? If he gets his sight back fully, will he still treat her as a person, as his equal?

I honestly don't know.

It's a Snape - is he a good guy conundrum - only it is unresolved at the end of the book for me.
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From:[info]icantmakeme
Date:June 28th, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)

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I believe he is sufficiently reformed to allow for their overall happiness but still human enough to screw it up in the future. The difference will be that now Jane is fortified enough to stop him going too far. I think they would probably have to work at their happily ever after but that's how life works in reality so I applaud it.
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From:[info]huckle
Date:June 27th, 2009 03:09 am (UTC)
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Great post/comments.
They had death literally under their house as well in Haworth. The town spring ran through the graveyard and so the hapless residents got knocked off by what was it, cholera? in the water supply.

I love Jane Eyre as well. I find the Brontes interesting because their lives and personalities and circumstances have such an effect on their writing. I don't have a vivid sense of who Dickens or Hardy or Austen is, despite reading their books and visiting where they lived, yet I feel that I do with the Brontes. Perhaps it is just that they were more interesting people.

Incidentally, we used to have a competition for most ridiculous Bronte tie in when I used to live in Haworth. The winners were 'Bronte Breakdowns' and 'Charlottes Caravans'.

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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 11:54 am (UTC)
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I'm sure I saw Patrick's Popadoms on the menu of a restaurant there.

I also find the 'Virginia Woolf Bar and Grill' in Bloomsbury deeply amusing, for some reason. Perhaps because she seemed so otherworldly, and not the sort to sit down to a ncie burger.
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From:[info]baby_elvis
Date:June 29th, 2009 11:53 am (UTC)
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And don't forget the 'Ben Jonson Greek/English Taverna' in Canterbury.
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From:[info]pedanther
Date:June 27th, 2009 09:39 am (UTC)
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I do not like St John Rivers. He starts out well, with the philanthropy and the village school and the rest, but he loses a lot of points later, with the attempt to cram Jane into a niche she doesn't fit into and the failure to comprehend that she might have a stake in the situation that involves something other than blindly following his lead.

He does what he thinks is right; but his notion of right is constrained by social convention, lacks compassion, and contains a wide selfish streak. It's never about other people, it's always about maintaining his image of himself. He as much as says that his decision to become a missionary came out of a desire to do great things and earn glory, not so much from a direct desire to help people.

To be fair, I think he would say that he doesn't care what other people think of him, so long as his God approves, and I believe he would mean it; but his idea of what his God approves of is so conventional I'm not sure it makes much difference.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:June 27th, 2009 11:55 am (UTC)
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He as much as says that his decision to become a missionary came out of a desire to do great things and earn glory, not so much from a direct desire to help people.

I agree that he has an extremely conventional sense of morality. But in his defence I think the glory he seeks is eternal reward, not earthly reward.
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From:[info]pedanther
Date:June 27th, 2009 09:43 am (UTC)
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[info]amythis has already mentioned reading Wide Sargasso Sea as a follow-up, and being disappointed.

I, on the other hand, am eyeing the copy of The Eyre Affair that's been lurking in my to-read pile for months. If I don't read it now, there may never be a better time; but I'm also worried about disappointment.

Don't suppose anyone's read The Eyre Affair and can offer an opinion?
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From:[info]amythis
Date:June 27th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
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Jane Eyre is just a small part of the story, although you'll get more of the jokes now. Thursday Next was what I would call a "B minus" series. I liked it enough to read all the books, but I didn't love it.
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From:[info]cicipsychobunny
Date:July 5th, 2009 09:20 am (UTC)
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Here via DUFC!

The Jane/Rochester relationship made a lot more sense to me after a postgrad English paper on the influence of the King James Version on English lit. A lot of the language Bronte uses to describe Rochester and Jane's feelings towards him reflects KJV phrases about the relationship between God and Israel, and somehow that made the book seem more coherent, or something.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:July 6th, 2009 11:06 am (UTC)
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Here via DUFC!

What is DUFC?
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From:[info]cicipsychobunny
Date:July 6th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
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Down Under Feminists' Carnival.
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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:July 7th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
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Down Under Feminists' Carnival.

Doh. Of course.

I am currently involved with DUFF, the Down Under Fan Fund so I thought it was a typo.

The Biblical language would explain the lamb reference, which I really found quite jarring.
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From:[info]zebra363
Date:July 20th, 2009 11:05 am (UTC)
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I really enjoyed rereading Jane Eyre early in June, but then became stuck in an endless cycle of work dramas and have since forgotten most of the specifics I wanted to mention. Note to self: take more notes next time!

I did take all of three notes, so will say something about them:

1. I love Jane's devoted but principled love for Rochester, whether or not he is worthy of it. "I must, then, repeat continually that we are for ever sundered: - and yet, while I breathe and think I must love him."

2. This is such interesting characterisation, about Jane (in relation to Diana): "It was my nature to feel pleasure in yielding to an authority supported like hers; and to bend, where my conscience and self-respect permitted, to an active will."

3. And I like this: "I could never rest in communication with strong, discreet, and refined minds, whether male or female, till I had passed the outworks of conventional reserve, and won a place by their heart's very hearthstone."

I also had a note about the strange way some of the dialogue is written — referring to the speaker in the third person within quote marks? — but can't find an example at the moment.

Totally inadequate, but I do like the book very much, especially the parts where Jane is falling for Rochester.


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From:[info]emma_in_oz
Date:July 20th, 2009 11:22 am (UTC)
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Was this the first time you read it?
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From:[info]zebra363
Date:July 20th, 2009 11:30 am (UTC)
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No, I'd read it once before.
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From:[info]pedanther
Date:July 20th, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
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I also had a note about the strange way some of the dialogue is written — referring to the speaker in the third person within quote marks? — but can't find an example at the moment.

I've seen that in a few books of roughly that vintage; from memory, Jane Austen does it occasionally as well. In context it seems to be equivalent to a modern person writing something like 'Zebra told us that "[she] really enjoyed rereading Jane Eyre"', only in those days they were more relaxed about pointing out where the quotation had been tweaked.

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